Well, I guess, if I think, um, a lot about it, whatever it is, then, yeah, sure, it would depend on, um, the circumstances? ,
I try to keep the commas down when copy editing, but I do find myself putting them into replace more disruptive things like dashes and parentheses. Also, it's common for people to put the end comma in a parenthetical phrase and leave out the first one, so I'm always sticking that puppy in. And Bob's your uncle.
(Just learned the phrase and I'm trying to apply "bob's your uncle" more in my daily life.)
You know, Paca, I did debate the use of the comma in my question, which makes it all the more ironic that the answer is apparently...'There is no such thing as a heavy or light user of the comma, only a correct user of the comma.'
Annoying, isn't it? Sorry.
I think Precie came closest with...'Heavy. Because I tend to write long complex and/or compound sentences. But I do try to make sure I'm only using commas where they actually belong.' If it were a competition, you'd have won, Precie!
However, I think Paca has shown that the 'correct' answer is debatable.
BTW, Paca, while we're debating their use, I would have put commas around 'apparently' in that last sentence of yours. Looks like you're a light user too...
I don't see how it's possible for for there to be only one correct way to mark an entire language with commas, even if you pretend there's a well-defined object called a language. Commas are used to express what the writer is saying. If one adds commas around "or a light" it's a parenthetical. If you don't, it's just a compound adjective. So you can certainly have the same string of words and have more than one correct placement of commas, because more than one interpretation can be placed on many strings of words.
Now, one might be able to say that there is only one correct way to use commas based upon the writer's intended interpretation of the sentence. If the writer intends something to be parenthetical, then it should have commas, and if she doesn't intend that, then the phrase doesn't need commas. So there's a better argument for only one correct comma placement in this scenario. However, that doesn't help the editor out, since they don't know the author's intentions. Moreover, what if the author doesn't know their intention or doesn't mind both interpretations?
Heavy. But, I've dropped the habit of the serial comma (in front of ands) which isn't used in the UK and I would never put them around the or of your question! :)
Correct certainly varies though - UK and US have the serial comma issue and German commas are heavily used (and required) in a way that drives me crazy.
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McK's Top Ten Books 2011
I lost count a while ago. But it's well over 100 now, and I suspect it will be somewhere between 150 and 200 by the end of the year.
1. Before I Die - Jenny Downham According to my library, technically this is YA, but I think it defies genre. I think I managed not to cry until about page 25, but after that...I. Did. Not. Stop. Crying. Until I got to the end two and a half hours later. I couldn't stop reading either. Absolutely amazing. Utterly transcendent. 2. Dark Matter - Anita Paver I have a strange weakness for historical Arctic expeditions and this one added in one of my other weaknesses...ghoulies and ghosties. Admirably tight writing as well. Highly recommended. 3. Major Pettigrew's Last Stand - Helen Simonson Wonderful portrait of English village life with all its petty biases, plus a sharper undercurrent of racism. A beautiful story of love in the older generation, and it's funny too! The best thing, though, and the element that really made this story sing for me, was the strength of characters. 4. Ender's Game - Orson Scott Card Yes, I can't believe I hadn't read it before either. Isn't it good! 5. Room - Emma Donoghue Enchanting and utterly horrifying at the same time; an unforgettable read. 6. The Hunger Games - Suzanne Collins Ah, good old-fashioned adventure! Unputdownable. 7. Sixty Lights - Gail Jones Admirable, but oddly frustrating. Maybe a bit too 'surface literary' for my taste. Tells the story of a fascinating life, with some interesting motifs running through it, but personally I think I would have preferred a plainer style. That's just me though. And it makes the list. 8. The City in the Lake - Rachel Neumeir Just gorgeous! 9. The Harrowing - Alexandra Sokoloff A fairly traditional little horror tale that I zipped through in a couple of hours - gave me a few genuine chills. 10. The Good Mayor - Andrew Nicoll - Didn't really come to life for me until around half way through, but then it really did!
Total books read so far this year: 85
McK still wants to read... Most of the Orange Prize shortlist Most of the Booker Prize shortlist The Bird Sisters - Rebecca Rasmussen
McK's Top Ten Books - The Rules Rules? What rules? One rule only - if McK is not impressed or entertained, it doesn't go on the Top Ten list. Oh, OK, rule number two - books on the Top Ten list will move around depending on how much McK is impressed or entertained.
25 comments:
Hmm, let's see, maybe, but, maybe not... Heavy!
Well, I guess, if I think, um, a lot about it, whatever it is, then, yeah, sure, it would depend on, um, the circumstances? ,
I try to keep the commas down when copy editing, but I do find myself putting them into replace more disruptive things like dashes and parentheses. Also, it's common for people to put the end comma in a parenthetical phrase and leave out the first one, so I'm always sticking that puppy in. And Bob's your uncle.
(Just learned the phrase and I'm trying to apply "bob's your uncle" more in my daily life.)
It depends, I use commas for run-on sentences and whenever I pause for breath, then I have to go back and sort them out. (Like I just didn't.)
I also tend to put a full stop before 'but' and 'and' then have to go back and change it.
So, a heavy user trying to be lighter I would say.
I often completely forget to use them. Then when I read over what I've written, I over-compensate.
Heavy. Because I tend to write long complex and/or compound sentences. But I do try to make sure I'm only using commas where they actually belong.
When I'm editing, I find people don't use them nearly as much as they should.
light - they signal to me I'm creating run-on sentences, or rambling, or otherwise not paying attention....
what were we talking about?
Most stories in my slush are too light.
Ha!!
One of my edits--I overuse the comma.
I like the comma. It's curved and gentle.
Heavier than most, I think.
Oh, this is fun! There is a correct answer. I haven't seen it yet...
Hint: it's somewhat of a trick question.
Second hint: one of you is almost correct.
That's the one with the two dots?
A trick question? Now you're teasing us.
Tee hee. You won't be happy.
You mean we have to think?
If I don't put so much sugar in my tea, I might become a lighter user.
Never have I found myself to be so annoyingly vexed by a marsupial clad in tartan.
Nope. Can't fit any commas into that.
Never have I found myself to be so annoyingly vexed by a marsupial clad in tartan.
Nope. Can't fit any commas into that.
judicious! ;) lol
what irks me a lot, overuse of 'that', like it's some kind of filler! grrrrrr
Are you a heavy, or a light user of the comma?
Are you a heavy or a light user of the comma?
Are you a heavy, or a light, user of the comma?
You apparently are a light user, McK.
You know, Paca, I did debate the use of the comma in my question, which makes it all the more ironic that the answer is apparently...'There is no such thing as a heavy or light user of the comma, only a correct user of the comma.'
Annoying, isn't it? Sorry.
I think Precie came closest with...'Heavy. Because I tend to write long complex and/or compound sentences. But I do try to make sure I'm only using commas where they actually belong.' If it were a competition, you'd have won, Precie!
However, I think Paca has shown that the 'correct' answer is debatable.
BTW, Paca, while we're debating their use, I would have put commas around 'apparently' in that last sentence of yours. Looks like you're a light user too...
I'd say I am an eccentric and personal comma user. Not on purpose.
I don't see how it's possible for for there to be only one correct way to mark an entire language with commas, even if you pretend there's a well-defined object called a language. Commas are used to express what the writer is saying. If one adds commas around "or a light" it's a parenthetical. If you don't, it's just a compound adjective. So you can certainly have the same string of words and have more than one correct placement of commas, because more than one interpretation can be placed on many strings of words.
Now, one might be able to say that there is only one correct way to use commas based upon the writer's intended interpretation of the sentence. If the writer intends something to be parenthetical, then it should have commas, and if she doesn't intend that, then the phrase doesn't need commas. So there's a better argument for only one correct comma placement in this scenario. However, that doesn't help the editor out, since they don't know the author's intentions. Moreover, what if the author doesn't know their intention or doesn't mind both interpretations?
Heavy. But, I've dropped the habit of the serial comma (in front of ands) which isn't used in the UK and I would never put them around the or of your question! :)
Correct certainly varies though - UK and US have the serial comma issue and German commas are heavily used (and required) in a way that drives me crazy.
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